At what point does it all just defy sanity?

Seeming to defy all logic, yet there it is.

Seeming to defy all logic, insanely perched, yet there it is.

Investigations can be so multifaceted and multilayered, all at the same time, with so much going on that you do not see, or even know about, but then find out about later. Only eventually, later, much later, as you dig into an investigation, especially a, “stalled investigation.” all the things that were or should have been investigated, but never were, become all to obvious.

When the Felony Stalking Detective Robert Glassmire, was talking to us during one of the very first meetings, he repeated that very cliché statement about evidence and the crime that goes like this, “we just follow the evidence, and see where it leads us.” That sounded promising at the time. Steve and I were hopeful for an end, and that it would come through quality evidence was always a fact we understood oh so well. That evidence now at last could be collected by a detective, instead of the, “hands off,” “not allowed”, situation the Deputies were in. This was a big step forward, and we believed it because we wanted to believe – very badly.

However, in practice and in our real word, when your Detective has very limited time, there is inevitably some picking and choosing going on, between interviews, evidence, new leads, stakeouts, and ending a stalking situation before it can escalate to a tragedy, unfortunately something had to give. Far less than ideal.

A really sharp federal investigator told Steve, and I once that you follow every lead to the very end. Not just some leads, you do not pick the most important leads and guess at the others, every single lead, one at a time. It was how crimes were solved, or not, in his experience.

But what about the last day of her fight against a stalker, the day she died? Wouldn’t you think with all that manpower involved there would accomplish a thorough investigation? At least for one day? For an unattended death under suspicious circumstances? The Sheriff choose not to call in the CBI, but do it themselves. Not one officer certified in death scene investigation was present. And as I read the reports, I am shocked. It actually takes a few times through for it to really sink in – to become more than words and more words, all with no meaning. The sum total of written reports both about her stalking, and her death are nothing less than appalling. I can only hope I have enough notes, and other documentation to fill in the holes, and correct all the mistakes.

Morgan was killed by her stalker, and we can not bring her back – but what do we tell the next victim? What is going to change the outcome for that victim? Learning from the mistakes of Morgan’s case has to somehow become the impetus for change, and a more promising future.

So picture Dr. Kurtzman (the forensic pathologist that did her autopsy) for a moment, the contracted forensic pathologist. He is in Grand Junction, over a hundred miles away. He will never see the crime/death scene, only the pictures and reports. His job in this is to use his skills and expertise and see where the evidence leads him.

I would find out all too soon that mistakes would abound on his end as well. Even the position of her body was completely wrong in the report. I found her, Steve was next. We were asked more than once, independently, and together. We answered, Morgan was found lying on her side, looking unnatural, posed, something was wrong. But the report omitted all that and only said she was found face down. Steve and I are not certified death scene investigators and we did not know how to evaluate what we were seeing and discovering. The last thing we wanted to do on earth that morning was to discover and see that our daughter was dead. As for the glaring mistake on body position, it has never been corrected. Everyone quickly blamed it on Thomas Walton, he types the reports. And there the truth ends, swept under the proverbial carpet.

Then came the Amitriptyline level, which should be enough to cause an investigation all by itself. First insignificant to Dr. Kurtzman, then months later, it was massive to others, the certain cause of her death in fact. First there were no sign of pills or fragments in her stomach, that ruled out accidental overdose or suicide, then, eight months later Dr. Kurtzman suddenly claimed that fragments were seen, only, of course they were not collected. Swept under the rug also. How hard would that have been to end all speculation and actually prove something? Collect the fragments claimed to be seen eight months later, and test what they were. Especially since the sample had not changed at all! Only stored for eight months and then sent in for additional laboratory testing, the lab could easily have picked out any fragments and tested them, but they were not asked to.

There were many reasons to do this. First, the doctors volunteering their time for Morgan’s cause, had questions they wanted answers for, and wanted to be a part of any further testing. Here the testing was already done in secrecy, the doctors or even us, the victims also and the parents were not told of this testing, until long after it was over, and the sample exhausted.

But then second, evidence is seen. If during an autopsy the bullet that killed the victim is seen, even eight months later. It is collected as evidence without doubt. If these “pill fragments” could have been the figurative “bullet” that killed Morgan Ingram, then why were they not collected?

And third, exactly how does Dr. Kurtzman see pill fragments in the gastric fluid when it is shipped, frozen in a container to a laboratory for testing? “How did he do that?” Was a question from another doctor volunteering his time to Morgan’s case.

So then, lots of noise about the pills and fragments, except for others it did not matter at all. Forensic Pathologists and Toxicologists, every single one actually, has said the Amitriptyline could have been liquid, injected, or even crushed pills injected, so pill or pill fragments was not important for them at all. There were instead, other, more pressing, questions. Such as being conscious or even unconscious and ingesting that amount in any form without vomiting is a big problem that had to be explained. One of the forensic specialists had a single sentence about it in his opinion. If 1,000 ng/ml would kill her, how does she have a level of 7,909 ng/ml?

For Dr. Kurtzman, this was not a problem, he had a pat answer for most everything, which was, “he had seen it before.” I do not know it for a fact, but I am very confident he has never seen anything remotely like this before, because not many doctors across the country ever have. Even more so after the contents of a date rape concoction found in her gastric fluids are added to the already massive overkill level in her blood.

We assumed he had a list of Morgan’s “medications” or “non medications” from the Deputy Coroner, only now I see it came from the Sheriff’s department. But this list was evidently compiled by wandering through her room and finding old prescription pill bottles. This list of Morgan’s medications is all wrong, right from the beginning.

I wonder how many medicine cabinets or other favorite spots to safely keep prescription medications stored in households across America have old prescriptions medications in them? What if the Deputy Coroner, as a method to discover the true facts, was looking in your medicine cabinet right now and establishing a list of medications for you on the day you died. Would it be correct? What if, like Steve does, you had a box that you put any expired or unused medications for a drop off at the local hospital during a collection drive and Steve was pulling out even older bottles, anything with Morgans name, because he thought that is what they wanted. All this really didn’t matter in Morgan’s death because none of these medications were in Morgan’s body, except the Amitriptyline (which wasn’t hers) – the ones found in her body can all be found on the date rape panel that almost every lab has and can run…Morgan never took or had any of these drugs in our house.

The world is ever-changing, used to be you just flushed old prescription medications down the toilet, just like dumping old paint in the trash, you can’t do that anymore, both for good reason. Then hospitals had collections days, maybe twice a year, then once a year, for all those old medications. Now, after Morgan’s death, I can just dispose of medication I don’t need or want any longer at the pharmacy, best plan yet, but not an available option back then.

So there are pill bottles from around the house compiled, some from her room, some from her bathroom and some from Steve’s closet. Now they are on a list purporting to be the current medications, and all completely false. My isn’t this turning into a botched investigation, any surprise?

Making matters worse, through a process no one has owned up to, words appear on the police reports in explanation for use of the prescription medications. Not from her doctors, or her parents, or anyone else who really knew, but from Sheriff’s investigators, explanations such as, “I later learned that this medication was used to treat seizures.” All completely false again, Morgan never had seizures – how are we ever going to get to the truth when this is the “evidence” we are working with? Maybe that’s why most places require certified death scene investigators, so gross errors such as this do not take place.

Just a little over a hundred miles down the road, in Mesa county. Deputy Coroners are required to be members of two different crime scene certification programs. Treating those killed and their families with respect and proper collection of evidence. Here in Garfield County, nothing, see how well it functions?

Investigators that morning could have asked her parents, but they chose not to. Investigators could have asked any of her doctors, the person who would write the prescription, but they chose not to. The investigators could have asked for the pharmacy records, where her prescriptions would have been filled, and records are kept for years, but they chose not to.

Unbelievable as it sounds the investigators of an unattended death under suspicious circumstances in the midst of an escalating stranger stalker case chose to just guess instead, and came up with a list that might belong to someone, somewhere, but definitely not belonging to Morgan, the murdered young woman whose Postmortem Examination Report was going to depend on this information. No wonder the investigation has been deemed to be “so thoroughly botched by the Garfield Sheriffs department.” Imagine how you would feel as a parent when you heard that? I had no idea the pit in the bottom of my stomach could drop that low until that very instant.

As if proof is required that it was botched, a toxicology screen is run and results come back weeks later with none of the medications the “investigators” write in their reports she was taking, except one. And I then tell Dr. Kurtzman a well-known fact, she was not taking that medication, had not had a prescription for over a year and a half, and none had been purchased at a pharmacy for even longer.

A doctor helping to unravel the insanity for Steve and I suggests we check with every doctor in the valley Morgan has ever seen to see if she asked them for a prescription, not wanting us to know. It’s possible he says. Remembering, follow every lead to the very end, we do. And the answers are unanimous, Morgan never asked any of them for a prescription. The doctor she saw less than 36 hours before her body was discovered reiterates that she offered medication to Morgan to aid sleep, and to feel better, but Morgan had explained how she was managing her stress through diet and exercise and did not like to take pills.

A little ballerina dancing until exhaustion and then sharing stories of her stalker with her teacher and friends as they all cooled down. Dr Kurtzman was told all of this but answered about her Amitriptyline level with the statement, “of course she was, it was in her system.” Is that the benchmark in a proper investigation? Would that satisfy you? If it is found in your system it is because you were taking it? What if it was a bullet? Would it have always been there? Because it’s a prescription drug it can not possibly have been given to you. injected into you, or poured into your stomach through a tube? Or any of the other, progressively disgusting methods we have been told about?

There is a term for the in law, it’s called, “Prima Facia” or, “at first blush,” mainly it means that it is so completely obvious from the facts that exist and are well established that…if you don’t get it, then you just don’t want to.

If there was a bottle of prescription medications in the house, with her name on it, then all that means is that Morgan might have taken that medication, in the past, or maybe she chose not to, and nothing more. When she went to the ER at the local hospital for an ankle injury she was given bottles of prescription medications to take as needed. She didn’t need them, got by without them so she chose not to take them. It happens. That is how some of those bottles end up in medicine cabinets across the country.

So there is Dr. Kurtzman, 100 miles away and waiting for the reports and pictures and Morgan’s body. Because a proper autopsy does not begin with a deceased body on a metal table. Not according to the standards established by Colorado for this autopsy, it has already started with the gathering of vital information at her death scene and he is responsible for what is happening at the house where her body was discovered and declared to be deceased.

I wonder if the investigators conducting this haphazard investigation are at least conferring with Dr. Kurtzman for direction as they make all these incorrect guesses about Morgan. One of the Detectives at our house that morning keeps going out onto the driveway during her death scene investigation to make calls on his cell phone. I wonder if he is keeping Dr. Kurtzman “in the loop” on how things are progressing at the, “investigation?”

Truth is, Morgan was not taking any prescription medications on the day she died, her toxicology tests back that up, and the truth never changes. And further, any medications that may have been in the house on the day she died were not involved in her death, another truth that will never change. A circuitous, very tedious trail has led specialists to the conclusion of the steps involved in her death. It is “Prima Fascia” once all the facts are laid out. The same facts these investigators had to work with. Only for “investigators” who are conducting an “investigation” that, an hour or so into her investigation, has resorted to just guessing at her medications and will later compound their mistakes by filling in incorrect reasons for her to be taking the medication – that she was not talking – would it have been that hard to research and get it right?

And the haphazardness did not stop at medications. On the day Morgan was killed the investigators did take her camera, it was in a camera bag, with all her attachments. The evidence manifest lists the camera, and we did get it back. Only the memory chip was no longer in it. Does that mean the intruder took it? Did the Sheriff’s take it out, and misplace it? We have asked them, but they have never answered this important question.

Morgan was an accomplished photographer. Dr. Kurtzman is an accomplished photographer, and I doubt he brings his cameras anywhere without memory chips. Very tough to take memorable pictures, capture a sunrise or sunset, or even the clouds billowing by in a fascinating manner without a memory chip. She had one in there and it disappeared. Another of the many questions without answers in Morgan’s death.

Like her driver’s license. An investigator at the house writes in a report that he had seen it, but along with the missing memory chip, we can not find her license either. And we did not spend a few hours, it took weeks to carefully pack away all her things. We only found her previous license. Morgan always kept it behind her current license, so I wonder if in a quick glance he slid out her previous license and mistook it for her current license. Just like long expired, old, faded prescription bottles written into reports as current by the same investigators. Morgan is taking these right now, medications that she was not taking at all, complete with made up reasons for taking these medications.

Remember it’s to be treated as a homicide until proven otherwise. When the investigators are just guessing, and they guess wrong, you not only end up with a crime/murder scene that is “so thoroughly botched,” but you end up with Sheriff’s reports that are either 100% false or contain a lot of false information within them. Just add to that list the complete absence of any report at all for incidents that I have well documented, discussed later with Detectives and further documented in emails and that is approaching the state of Morgan’s Sheriff’s reports, and her investigation, both about her stalking and about her death.

And believe me it is a monumental task to correct each mistake, between my notes, my timeline, text messages, emails, phone records, security video and others I can come a lot closer than guessing. And for my daughter Morgan deserves the best I can do. And is it still possible to prove a case with all this haphazard bungling going on? We haven’t stopped and if fact we may have hit the lowest point, and be heading back up again. This has been an extremely gut-wrenching process. Time will tell, won’t it?

And with all this talk about medical records I just want to point out a link in the blog to the position Steve and I take on Morgan’s rights, specifically medical records. Coroners can request them, but then have no right to release them. Anyone who has publicly released information derived from the electronic medical records of Morgan Ingram violates her HIPAA rights. And just like possessing stolen goods is still a crime, possessing improperly released medical records violates HIPAA rights, which most definitely survive death. We only wish to protect what remains of Morgan’s rights, as I’m sure any parent would.

And as for accuracy of information so far, it is so absolutely deflating to see and read now, how Morgan was really treated on the day her body was found, by those sworn to protect her. I really don’t know how it could get any worse. But then I have not finished reading the “official reports” just yet… And while I want to allow access to them all I really believe it is in Morgan’s best interest that the corrections are made before that happens. We have already seen where page after page of guesses, and inaccuracies, printed and given to the world has gotten us. Printing the truth in that arena also promises to be most illuminating.

V for Vendetta – the movie…interesting sign – #tyranny must be stopped

This was one of Morgan’s favorite movies – she memorized the following, and used to love to repeat it to anyone who would like to listen, and then finish with a giggle.  This morning I drove by the Post Office, and this picture was spray painted on the sign…I wanted to share it with all of you (don’t really know why), it reminded me of the movie she enjoyed so much, and the speech in the movie that she loved to repeat.  I guess sometimes in this world you have to do really hard things to accomplish change.  I for one do not agree with any kind of violence, I believe people can make changes in this world with their words a lot more effectively, but I do know from everything we have been through, and everything we continue to go through, changing things in this world for the better becomes a great sacrifice and it is extremely hard, but we will NEVER give up.

Image from V for Vendetta  on the Yield Sign at the Post Office

Image from V for Vendetta on the Yield Sign at the Post Office

 

 

V for Vendetta

Evey: Who are you?
V. : Who? Who is but the form following the function of what, and what I am is a man in a mask.
Evey: Well I can see that.
V. : Of course you can, I’m not questioning your powers of observation, I’m merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.
Evey: Oh, right.
V. : But on this most auspicious of nights, permit me then, in lieu of the more commonplace soubriquet, to suggest the character of this dramatis persona. Voila! In view humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the “vox populi” now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin, van guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.
Verily this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it’s my very good honour to meet you and you may call me V.
Evey: Are you like a crazy person?
V. : I’m quite sure they will say so.

V for Vendetta is a 2005 action thriller film directed by James McTeigue, and written by The Wachowski Brothers, based on the 1982 comic book of the same name by Alan Moore and David Lloyd. Set in London in a near-future dystopian society, Hugo Weavingportrays V — a bold, charismatic freedom fighter, attempting to ignite a revolution against the brutal fascist regime led by Adam Sutler (John Hurt) that has subjugated his country. Natalie Portman plays Evey, a working-class girl caught up in V’s mission, and Stephen Rea portrays the detective leading a desperate quest to stop V.

The film was originally scheduled for release by Warner Bros. on Friday, 4 November 2005 (a day before the 400th Guy Fawkes Night), but was delayed; it opened on 17 March 2006, to positive reviews. 

The film has been seen by many political groups as an allegory of oppression by government; libertarians and anarchists have used it to promote their beliefs. Activists belonging to the group Anonymous use the same Guy Fawkes mask popularized by the film when they appear in public at numerous high-profile events, emulating one of its key scenes. These masks have been seen at Occupy movement events. Lloyd is quoted saying: “The Guy Fawkes mask has now become a common brand and a convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny – and I’m happy with people using it, it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way.”

If Morgan were here today her toes would be in the river again…

Morgan took this picture of her toes in the river

Morgan took this picture of her toes in the river

Law and Order, or is the Beginning of the End of #Stalkers Running Free too Tall an Order?

Expressions of Morgan

Expressions of Morgan

‘Law and Order’ is such a simple phrase, that means so very much when you find yourself a victim.  Law is the premise, the nucleus, that brings order.  Law is dynamic, very dynamic I’m finding this as I read the Colorado Revised Statutes with all of the year specific repeals, and additions.  Keeping pace with the ever altering landscape that is our lives is graphically displayed.  How one single word changes everything is just as amazing to me.

In Morgan’s case I am troubled to no end, because laws existed, but were not enforced, or maybe brought into play is a better way to think of it.  For example part of a Colorado Revised Statute (or C.R.S.) says:

The general assembly hereby recognizes the seriousness posed by stalking and adopts the provisions of this part 6 with the goal of encouraging and authorizing effective intervention before stalking can escalate into behavior that has even more serious consequences.

Then we had a Sheriff, under whom’s direction, his department assigns a Detective on day 58 of Morgan’s Stalking.  Effective Intervention?  58 days?  What do you think?  And remember Deputies did respond during the 58 days before, but, no sirens, no blinking lights, they can’t collect fingerprints, cast shoe prints or effectively collect evidence, the case has no case number, because it has not opened yet, and as I’m also finding, record keeping is completely shaky at the very best.  The responding Deputies also told me that this was Colorado Law,  I haven’t been able to find the law they talked about, but as you can see the one I did find is quite the opposite.  And that the stalking did in fact “escalate into behavior that had even more serious consequences”, is without question.

And it was not just the nearly 60 days or two months of living hell before there was a Detective, and a case number, along with the hope of a forthcoming plan to catch the stalker(s), and bring about an end to the ensuing nightmare.  It was also that once assigned, our detective had to justify the amount of time he spent on Morgan’s case.  “Higher ups” within the Sheriff’s department saw fit to allow an hour or two here or there.  Was he assigned to Morgan’s case only to have his hands tied?

Our felony stalking detective was angling for an extra hour or two to work her case, and now Morgan is dead, killed by her stalker.  Doesn’t seem right to me in any way, shape or manner, and I suppose it never will.  How could it?  In the name of Morgan having every dream she ever had yet to realize taken from her, the stalking case deserved the number of hours it took to solve it.  Not the best that can be done in an hour or two a week.  And if that is not enough, “oh well”, that’s the best we could do.  We all know how that worked out for Morgan.

Another section of the same law on stalking that I found to be right to the point, especially in Morgan’s case is:

Because stalking involves highly inappropriate intensity, persistence, and possessiveness, it entails great unpredictability and creates great stress and fear for the victim

Morgan was stressed, and she was in fear.  She also had little hope for the simple pleasures in life, like a “good nights sleep”.  The Colorado General Assembly, which drafted and passed the laws on stalking obviously got it.  If you want you can read the entire text of the C.R.S. that was law during Morgan’s stalking here it is, STALKING LAW.

The General Assembly deserves kudos for understanding the evil serpent so well, and drafting an effective response.  I don’t believe the Sheriff got it… at all.  The response that is spelled out in the Colorado Revised Statutes for stalking never arrived for Morgan.  For the sake of all the victims of stalking,  I sincerely hope that changes in the future.  Morgan’s stalker(s) are still running free.

And often I have spoken of another Colorado organization – the CBI, or Colorado Bureau or Investigation.  The big guns of law enforcement here in this state.  Many have pointed to the need for a “microscopic” investigation of an unattended death under suspicious circumstances as Morgan’s was.  The CBI could have been and should have been called in the morning we found Morgan dead, but it would have been the Sheriff’s call and they did not make it.  That would have given Morgan a proper investigation instead of the, “so thoroughly botched,” investigation that unfortunately Morgan did have.

I bring this up because, just recently right here in the Roaring Fork Valley, the body of a man was found in an irrigation ditch, deceased.  Only he was not found in Garfield County, he was found in Pitkin County.  Different County, different Sheriff, and fact is that the protocol there for an unattended death under suspicious circumstances was to immediately call in the CBI, that’s why we have the CBI is my understanding, not just for deaths, but any investigation that is beyond that capabilities of a smaller Sheriff’s department.  The CBI responded, was there within a few hours, and evidently evidence was actually found quite a distance from the death scene, and collected, to be processed.

There is a difference between that, and reading Morgan’s texts, and a old journal from her room.  But her PJ’s she wore to bed the night before, completely missing, her panic button gone from its mount, her body posed, redressed, none of that mattered.  Who were they investigating, really?  How was that going to ID or catch the intruder?  A crime scene such as Morgan’s is to be considered a homicide until proven otherwise.  What gives here, really?

Complete answers to the possible crime just committed sits at the root of prevention of crime, and isn’t that the goal of law enforcement?  To Protect and To Serve?  If a person, usually a woman, is the victim of stalking, doesn’t she deserve adequate protection?  Or is that too much to ask?

And though the following was in response to a different post there is a comment I want to share again with you, this is too perfect a place for it not to – Guardian Angels.

Is there sense in it all?

Just what is going on

Just a Jumble? Or does it all come together?

You just never know.  Everyone tells you, and you hear it in so many ways your entire life – you just never really know.  Is it all just a jumble, or can it really be unraveled to make perfect sense?  Time will tell, because the truth never changes.

I think about the things that have happened, good and bad, and sometimes I see them in a new light.  For instance there was a night that Fall of 2011 when the Deputies, led by Patrol Officer Grzegorz, decided enough was enough, and they headed to Keenan’s house for a little chat with the suspect in Morgan’s staking.  Nothing wrong with a Sheriff’s Deputy coming by to ask a question or two – if you haven’t done anything wrong, is there?

In fact, as I ponder the choices, if your concern is for the safety of the neighborhood you lived in, you neighbors, and upholding the law then you would be very helpful, accommodating, welcome him in, and tell him whatever he needs to know I would think.  Aid in the investigation, right?

Deputy Grzegorz is very observant, he also moves very quickly, and noticed things on his way to the door.  His reports show just how serious he is.  After a short wait Brooke Harris answered the door.  Her father James was gone, and she was home with just the person Deputy Grzegorz wanted to speak with, Keenan Vanginkel.  But Brooke told him Keenan was asleep!  Could not be woken up?

Then comes the part that makes me go, huh?  Deputy Grzegorz reports hearing a commotion behind Brooke in the house, and he asks her about it.  Brooke does not let him in or go herself to see what the commotion is.  They had no pets, and only Brooke and Keenan were at home so what was the commotion in the house?  And not inviting the Deputy in would mean?  And the alcoholic beverage found when only two minors are present would mean?  Well I’m just thinking now, what was the problem with letting the Deputy in the house?  I have heard lots of explanations, but none of them make any sense to me.

And there was the time when Brooke was out with her friends, and we asked them, her friends, not Brooke, if they had heard about the stalking, and what they thought about it.  Brooke immediately claimed to not know anything, but her friends corrected her and reminded her about what she was just saying about the stalking.  Then she cut them off and ordered, not asked, ordered them to just shut up.  What was the problem there?  And why did she want them to just shut up.  What was she afraid of?

After all there was an ongoing investigation into the felony stalking case, Detectives were assigned, they had a suspect, she actually was his girlfriend.  In the interest of solving the crime Brooke could have asked her friends to help out the Sheriffs department in their felony stalking investigation, and tell them everything they know.  But that didn’t happen.  No one said anything about the stalking, except to say that they knew there was one.

So today I wonder, if you knew there was a stalking, and you were not Morgan, or you were not Steve or I, how did you know?  She had claimed that her boyfriend was exonerated from the stalking.

Finally there was a hearing, Steve and I were there.  The judge was there with his aide.  Jonathan Shamis, a lawyer from Alpine Legal Services was representing Brooke, her mother Christina and father James, they said they were frightened of us, but we stood five feet apart.  Jonathan Shamis wanted the judge to lift the temporary restraining order they had asked for so they could appear on a television show with us.  Quite odd because they didn’t seem frightened, actually I would call their demeanor as more like combative, if I were asked to pick a term.

The shocking part was when they said they needed their attorney Jonathan Shamis to go with them, to be right there off camera to protect them from criminal implications.  I turned to our counselor and asked him if Steve and I needed him to come, and protect us too, but he explained we had no criminal exposure so there was no need for him to come.

Then we get to Los Angeles and find out that Keenan’s lawyer won’t even let him come, because it’s far too risky.  Obviously his lawyer didn’t tell us.  She told the producers of the show, they knew.  So even if his lawyer is ten feet away to jump in it’s still too dangerous.  But Steve and I didn’t even need a lawyer at all!  What does that tell you?

If I’m trying to unravel the jumble, I am at the point where you ask – is this what happens when the Sheriff’s department has so thoroughly botched the crime scene, and then the suspects need lawyers to talk because of criminal implications, and actually the #1 suspect can’t even talk at all, and an officer of the court can insult the victims, on national television?  But did the #1 suspect forget that he had an ongoing six month private facebook conversation?  Must have, doubt his lawyer would have approved of that.