{"id":3642,"date":"2013-04-22T18:29:32","date_gmt":"2013-04-23T00:29:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/morgansstalking.com\/?p=3642"},"modified":"2018-02-09T16:59:35","modified_gmt":"2018-02-09T22:59:35","slug":"monday-april-23-2012-we-will-never-ever-give-up-morgan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/morgansstalking.com\/?p=3642","title":{"rendered":"Monday, April 23 – 25, 2012…we will never, ever give up Morgan!"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"inthekitchen\"<\/a><\/p>\n

Morgan cooking in the kitchen, wearing her great-grandmother’s apron – she loved to bake.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Monday, April 23, 2012<\/strong>
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I received a call back today from Dr. Dobersen, who had been referred to me by Families of Homicide Victims and Missing Persons (FOHVAMP) to give a second opinion of Morgan’s death, if it turned out that we needed one.<\/p>\n

Just to be absolutely clear here, at this point in time I had not sent Dr. Dobersen Morgan’s PER or Toxicology results yet, I was just asking him some general questions earlier in the day. \u00a0I still felt very protective about Morgan, and was not at all willing to just start handing out all her information.<\/p>\n

Surprisingly\u00a0Dr. Dobersen had been able to tell me quite a lot with very little information. \u00a0He assured me that Dr. Kurtzman (the forensic pathologist that did Morgan’s autopsy) could not put Porphyria down as a cause of death if Morgan had never been diagnosed with it by a medical doctor in her lifetime, it was required, and of course she was had not been diagnosed with it. \u00a0After finding out that the cost of genetic testing would easily be over $12,000, the day had been very upsetting up until that very moment.<\/span><\/p>\n

I have never, to this day, gotten an answer to the question of why Porphyria was a cause of death for Morgan. \u00a0Her doctors and\u00a0referred\u00a0specialists at UCLA Mattel Children’s Hospital in Los Angeles were shocked to hear that it was on her PER, because she never had it. \u00a0And her doctors here in Colorado also disagreed completely. \u00a0Once again it was Kurtzman vs. the medical community of the country, and nobody was agreeing with his opinion.<\/p>\n

The next really great news was that if an arrhythmia was suspected, Dr. Kurtzman should have taken a frozen slide of her heart. \u00a0The actual simple question of did you, or did you not take histilogical samples has never been answered by Dr. Kurtzman. \u00a0I have been told it is a requirement of Colorado Statutes, but can I assume this was done, doubtful. \u00a0Anyway there was a research study underway at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester – and they would test Morgan’s histological samples at no charge as part of their ongoing study to improve knowledge. \u00a0Dr. Dobersen had offered to handle the transfer of Morgan’s samples to the Mayo Clinic for study in case Dr. Kurtzman was not\u00a0familiar\u00a0with the process.<\/p>\n

Then Dr. Dobersen told me that based upon what little I had told him, Morgan’s death should have been listed as \u201c\u00a0undetermined\u201d, at the very least, until an investigation had determined what had killed Morgan, especially with the ongoing stalking, and terror situation that she was living in. \u00a0Believe me, I was pinching myself at the moment to make sure this was not a dream.<\/p>\n

Dr. Dobersen was a Board Certified Forensic Pathologist, Coroner\/Medical Examiner for Arapahoe County, Colorado, and past president of the Colorado Coroners Association.<\/p>\n

He was polite, answered every question, and made sense. \u00a0He is well respected within the state of Colorado, and I can tell you from personal experience, he is also well respected across the country. \u00a0It was such a great gift that I will never question when I was referred to him for a “few questions.” \u00a0Dr. Dobersen has been called the physician for the victim, he has helped tell the story for so many victims that can no longer speak for themselves – he makes sure he gets ALL the facts straight when he does a complete autopsy.<\/p>\n

My attitude about Morgan’s investigation or should I say lack of an investigation started to change. \u00a0I felt she deserved more than she had gotten, and I believed asking and pointing out deficiencies would be the way to approach it. \u00a0I felt that our law and order wanted the best for its citizens, they just needed help. \u00a0And I had found a few sources.<\/p>\n

Then, out of the blue, I asked Steve why were Morgan\u2019s down comforter sheet, and 2 pillow cases not collected?\u00a0 Or the knife she had just asked Steve to buy her the night before, when she was so scared (it was lying in bed by her side when I found her) – why wasn’t it taken to be tested for finger prints?\u00a0 Where are the pajamas Morgan was wearing when Steve said good night to her? \u00a0We haven’t found them and nobody cares. \u00a0Can the clothes she was found in still be tested for fluids?\u00a0 What about testing for the dye from the massive dose of Amitriptyline found in her body verses the old pills that she still had in a bottle in our room? \u00a0Was this even possible? \u00a0Did the sheriff\u2019s find any container or syringe in her room when they went through it? The first responders and the sheriffs told us they did not find anything like that – and we did not either. \u00a0There was suddenly hope, there was a scientific path to Morgan’s death, there were questions that could be answered.<\/p>\n

And then Steve looked at me and said, “I’m sure the sheriff’s have thought of all these things, and have done them”…unfortunately, right at that second, I believe Steve was wrong. \u00a0I believed that he was\u00a0guilty\u00a0of that same thing I had been guilty up until that second, believing the authorities 100% and not questioning. \u00a0I asked him to think that statement through again, slowly…<\/p>\n

Now, today, in 2013 we believe that the sheriff’s, and the coroner’s office did not want to look for anything suspicious, they did not want a homicide, no, no, not in Garfield County – why couldn’t we just believe them and go away like good little parents who have lost their healthy 20-year-old daughter, who was being stalked, and had suddenly died? \u00a0Are they serious? \u00a0Did they really think we would\u00a0succumb\u00a0to our deep, tremendous grief, and become ghosts ourselves? \u00a0There is absolutely, \u00a0NO WAY! \u00a0Our family is not like that, Morgan never gave up, we never give up…it is not in our DNA! \u00a0And when I say family I mean family…this has by far been the biggest challenge our family has ever faced, but we face it together. \u00a0We may all deal with it differently, but just like our oldest daughter, and our son have both said over and over again, “We trust you and support you Mom & Dad, and don’t ever give up on this, Morgan was far too special.”<\/p>\n

Their encouragement, along with Steve’s family, my family, Morgan’s friends, and all of our friends, have kept us going this whole time, even on days that were so hard we could barely get out of bed knowing we had to keep reliving the loss of Morgan over and over again in order to tell her story. \u00a0This has become so multi-layered, and so complex now as we have come to find out more, and more things about this case about our daughter being murdered, and its relationship to other cases of parents that have lost their children to murder, and where the investigation was completely dropped.<\/p>\n

I don’t care if the excuse is lack of funds, lack of manpower, lack of training, lack of interest, trying to keep the stats low, whatever the excuse is, we are talking about someone that was extremely loved, that has now been taken from this world – there should be no excuse for lack of an investigation. \u00a0If any of you were ever killed you would assume that your death would\u00a0deserve\u00a0a complete and\u00a0thorough\u00a0investigation. \u00a0You would expect and deserve the complete opposite of what Morgan was given, every human being is worth it. \u00a0Because without that simple expectation being true, law and order is but a farce. \u00a0And if there is still a murderer out there, can anyone guarantee you that it will not happen again to someone else, and their family, nobody!<\/p>\n

We intend to never stop seeking justice for Morgan through legal channels, in order to show others a road map to follow in the future – we have made so many mistakes in during her stalking, and in our attempts to seek justice, but if we are transparent about our mistakes, I hope it will help others from making the same mistakes, just like any successes we make along the way, if shared, will show others what may work for them.<\/p>\n

Wednesday, April 25th<\/sup><\/strong><\/p>\n

Our good friend and retired Federal Investigator came over today. \u00a0Being a former Federal Investigator when he went out on a case, every case was resolved…it was expected. \u00a0He met with Detective Rob Glassmire @ 6:30 pm in Glenwood to verbally review all the evidence and discuss what they were doing now, then came back to our house, had dinner, and discussed the case with us. \u00a0We stayed up for hours and went through it with him very thoroughly. \u00a0He asked us questions as though he were doing a Federal case, including all the questions they would ask if there were any chance it could be a suicide. \u00a0He knew Morgan for years, and did not think it could be a suicide, but he said if he didn’t know her, and this was his case that would always be one of the first things he would need to rule out. \u00a0Now remember at this the forensic pathologist had determined she died of natural causes, but because he was a top investigator in his time he asked all the questions he would ask in a case where he did not know the victim. \u00a0We answered truthfully every question he asked. \u00a0Now why were we never asked these questions from our detective? \u00a0It was now determined by our friend that she did not commit suicide, that the death scene was bungled, and it was extremely easy to gain access to our home undetected. \u00a0We were extremely upset, but not surprised. \u00a0He gave us a road map of what he considered we should do to try to find more answers, and move the case along. \u00a0And our journey continues…for the love of our daughter and other daughters as well.<\/p>\n

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